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Ccc and proper are not equivalent
False statement
A forcing preorder is proper if and only if it is ccc.
Facts & Assumptions
Given: ZFC, with stronger forcing conditions ordered smaller.
Every ccc forcing preorder and every countably closed forcing preorder is proper. Ccc and countably closed forcings are proper
The notation denotes partial functions from to whose domains have size , ordered by reverse inclusion; the standard forcing orders using this notation have the empty function as their greatest condition. Cohen, collapse, and Lévy-collapse forcing orders
A forcing is ccc exactly when every set of pairwise incompatible conditions is countable. Compatibility, ccc and Knaster for posets
A countable union of at most countable sets is at most countable, using the Axiom of Countable Choice. Countable unions of at most countable sets, assuming
AC, and hence its countable fragment, is available in ZFC. The Axiom of Choice
Counterexample
Let ordered by reverse inclusion. By F2 its conditions are the countable partial functions from to , and the empty function is its greatest condition. In particular, is nonempty. (It is not being identified with , whose displayed parameters would violate that definition's requirement .)
For every , define on by The domain is countable because is a countable ordinal. If , then whereas . No function can extend both, so and are incompatible. Consequently is an uncountable antichain, and F3 shows that is not ccc. Notice that , so the zero endpoint also obeys the displayed definition.
Suppose is descending in . Reverse inclusion means , so is a function extending every . Each is countable, and F4 with A1 makes their union countable. Hence and for every . Thus is countably closed. Constant sequences, including the constant empty-condition sequence, are covered by the same union calculation.
By F1, the countably closed forcing is proper.
The forward implication, ccc implies proper, is true by F1. Steps 3.1 and 1.2 give one proper forcing that is not ccc, so the reverse implication and therefore the advertised equivalence are false. AC is spent only through the countable-union assertion in step 2.1; no generic filter or further choice is used in the antichain witness.
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Sources
- Karagila, Forcing & Symmetric Extensions, Theorems 8.7-8.8 (standard reference, not scraped)