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RemarkSession-authored (Fable 5 assisted) sources checked 2026-07-26 not proved here
Recorded, not proved here. This statement is included so the library can refer to it honestly, with a citation to the literature. It is not proved anywhere in this library: the track that would prove it has not been developed here yet.

Failure of Tonelli without σ\sigma-finiteness: the diagonal under Lebesgue times counting measure

Statement

Let X=[0,1]X = [0,1] with Lebesgue measure λ\lambda and let Y=[0,1]Y = [0,1] with counting measure κ\kappa, so that κ(A)\kappa(A) is the number of elements of AA when AA is finite and ++\infty otherwise. Let

f=1Δ,Δ={(x,y)[0,1]2:x=y},f = \mathbf{1}_{\Delta}, \qquad \Delta = \{ (x,y) \in [0,1]^2 : x = y \},

the indicator of the diagonal. Then ff is nonnegative and measurable for the product σ\sigma-algebra, and

X(Yf(x,y)dκ(y))dλ(x)=011dλ=1,\int_X \Big( \int_Y f(x,y) \, d\kappa(y) \Big) d\lambda(x) = \int_0^1 1 \, d\lambda = 1,

Y(Xf(x,y)dλ(x))dκ(y)=Y0dκ=0.\int_Y \Big( \int_X f(x,y) \, d\lambda(x) \Big) d\kappa(y) = \int_Y 0 \, d\kappa = 0 .

The two iterated integrals are 11 and 00. Tonelli's theorem does not apply because κ\kappa is not σ\sigma-finite on the uncountable set [0,1][0,1], and no hypothesis on ff can repair this: ff is an indicator of a closed set, as good as a function can be.

Remarks

Not proved in this library. The computation is a two-line consequence of the definitions of the two integrals, but both integrals belong to the deferred measure track (Lebesgue measure and the Lebesgue integral ), so it is recorded here rather than proved.

What would prove it. Only the definitions: the inner integral against counting measure of 1{x}\mathbf{1}_{\{x\}} is 11 for each fixed xx, and the inner integral against Lebesgue measure of the indicator of a single point is 00 for each fixed yy. The measurability of Δ\Delta in the product σ\sigma-algebra is the one point needing care, and it follows since Δ\Delta is closed and the product σ\sigma-algebra here contains the Borel sets of the square.

Which page it serves. The Fubini and change of variables page, as the counterexample that shows why the Lebesgue statement carries a σ\sigma-finiteness hypothesis while the Riemann statement on a box does not need one. It is the cheapest possible witness: no choice, no pathological set, no continuum hypothesis, just a measure that is too large.

Contrast with the other failure recorded here. In this example ff is perfectly measurable and the measures are at fault. In Sierpinski's example under the continuum hypothesis the measures are the best possible and the function is at fault. Between them they show that both hypotheses of Fubini-Tonelli theorem and the σ\sigma-finiteness hypothesis are needed.

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