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RemarkSession-authored (Fable 5 assisted) sources checked 2026-07-26 not proved here
Recorded, not proved here. This statement is included so the library can refer to it honestly, with a citation to the literature. It is not proved anywhere in this library: the track that would prove it has not been developed here yet.

Separability of LpL^p for finite pp, and the failure at p=p = \infty

Statement

Let (X,A,μ)(X, \mathcal{A}, \mu) be a σ\sigma-finite measure space whose σ\sigma-algebra is countably generated modulo null sets, for instance Rn\mathbb{R}^n with Lebesgue measure.

Separability for finite pp. For 1p<1 \le p < \infty the space Lp(μ)L^{p}(\mu) is separable: it has a countable dense subset. On Rn\mathbb{R}^n one may take finite rational linear combinations of indicators of boxes with rational vertices, or the continuous functions of compact support with rational data.

Failure at p=p = \infty. L[0,1]L^{\infty}[0,1] is not separable. The family {1[0,t]:t[0,1]}\{ \mathbf{1}_{[0,t]} : t \in [0,1] \} is uncountable and satisfies 1[0,s]1[0,t]=1\|\mathbf{1}_{[0,s]} - \mathbf{1}_{[0,t]}\|_{\infty} = 1 for sts \ne t, so the open balls of radius 12\tfrac12 around its members are pairwise disjoint and any dense set must meet each of them. The same argument shows \ell^{\infty} is not separable.

Remarks

Not proved in this library. It is recorded with citations and used in no proof here.

What would prove it. For the positive half: approximation of an LpL^p function by simple functions, then of a measurable set by a finite union of boxes up to small measure, then of the coefficients by rationals, with the three errors summed by Minkowski's inequality (Holder and Minkowski inequalities in integral form ). For the negative half: nothing beyond the displayed computation, once \|\cdot\|_{\infty} and the notion of a countable set (Finite, countably infinite, countable, uncountable ) are available.

Which page it serves. Separability is defined later in Separability: the existence of an at most countable dense subset . The pair of statements above is the standard first example of a natural Banach space that is not separable, and it is also why LL^{\infty} behaves differently from every LpL^p with pp finite. It is not separable, so it has no countable dense subset to run approximation arguments on, and the duality stops at it. For σ\sigma-finite μ\mu the space L(μ)L^{\infty}(\mu) is itself the dual of L1(μ)L^{1}(\mu); what has no counterpart is the return trip, since the dual of L(μ)L^{\infty}(\mu) is not L1(μ)L^{1}(\mu) but a space of bounded finitely additive set functions. So the identification Lp(μ)=Lq(μ)L^{p}(\mu)^{*} = L^{q}(\mu) that holds for 1<p<1 < p < \infty stops here.

Hypotheses worth stating carefully. Separability of LpL^p is a property of the measure space and not of pp alone: Lp(μ)L^{p}(\mu) for the counting measure on an uncountable set is not separable for any pp, since the indicators of singletons are pairwise at distance 21/p2^{1/p}. The clean statement is the one above, with σ\sigma-finiteness and a countably generated σ\sigma-algebra as hypotheses.

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