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Flat and finite type is not open without finite presentation
Statement refuted
False claim. Every flat morphism of finite type is open, and a quotient of finite type is finitely presented.
Counterexample with witness. Assume the Axiom of Choice. Let be a field, the ideal of finite-support sequences. Then the quotient map is flat and of finite type, but it is not open, and is not a finitely presented -algebra.
Facts & Assumptions
Given: The data and hypotheses displayed in the Statement, with the conventions fixed there.
A morphism is flat at when the local ring map makes flat over , and flat when this holds at every point (Flat morphism of schemes).
An -module is flat if and only if the multiplication map is injective for every finitely generated ideal (Flatness is equivalent to preserving injections and to the ideal and finitely generated ideal tests, criteria (1) and (4)).
Let be a morphism, and affine opens with . Then is flat at every point of if and only if is flat over ; the direction from module flatness to pointwise flatness is choice-free (Affine-local flatness).
is of finite type over when for some ; at this is the image of the structure map , so a quotient with its quotient structure map is of finite type, and a morphism of affine schemes whose ring map is of finite type is (locally) of finite type (Subalgebra generated by a subset, algebras of finite type, and module-finite algebras, Locally finite presentation morphisms).
A finitely presented -algebra has: for every surjection of -algebras, the kernel is a finitely generated ideal (Stacks, Algebra, Lemma 10.6.3). In particular, if the quotient map (zero generators, no relations besides the kernel) presents a finitely presented -algebra, then is finitely generated (Finitely presented modules and finitely presented algebras).
Assume the Axiom of Choice. If is clopen, then there is an idempotent with (A clopen decomposition of the spectrum comes from a nontrivial idempotent).
Assume the Axiom of Choice. If is closed, then the unique radical ideal defining is (Every Zariski-closed subset has a unique radical defining ideal).
A ring map induces the contraction map on spectra, ; for the quotient map the primes of correspond to the primes of containing , and the image of consists of exactly those primes (The map of affine spectra induced by a ring homomorphism, The underlying space of an affine spectrum).
In a field, implies (Prime ideals and maximal ideals in a commutative ring); consequently a sequence has the same support as its -th power , and is reduced.
Counterexample
Write elements of as sequences with . For define by if and if , and let have when and otherwise. Then , and , so is generated by an idempotent.
The ideal is not finitely generated: if , each has finite support , every -linear combination of the is supported in the finite set , but for any the element with at and elsewhere lies in and is not supported there.
The map is of finite type: is generated as an -algebra by the empty set, since its structure map is surjective, so it is of finite type over by [F4]; on the affine charts this is a finite-type ring map.
The underlying map of is the contraction of primes along the surjection , so its image is the set of primes of containing , which is exactly the closed set of [F8]; thus the morphism is open only if is open.
is a radical ideal: if satisfies then the support equals the support of , which is finite because , so ; hence is reduced and .
If are idempotent then and : the generator is a combination of , while and . Hence by induction on the number of generators every finitely generated ideal of is principal, generated by an idempotent.
Suppose is open. It is closed by definition, hence clopen, so by [F6] there is an idempotent with ; applying [F7] to the closed set and to the ideals and gives , so because by step 1.5.
Finally is not a finitely presented -algebra: the quotient map is a surjection from a polynomial ring in variables, so by [F5] finite presentation of would force its kernel to be finitely generated, contrary to step 1.2.
For every finitely generated ideal we have with idempotent by step 2.1, and then : an element of equals and lies in , hence equals with ; conversely . Therefore , so the kernel of the multiplication map is zero, i.e. the map is injective. Since this holds for every finitely generated ideal, is a flat -module by [F2].
The ideal is radical: if satisfies then coordinatewise , and because is idempotent; for this gives by [F9], and for it gives , so . Hence , and step 2.2 yields , a principal ideal, hence a finitely generated ideal.
The morphism is flat: on the affine charts , with the ring is flat over by step 3.1, and [F3] converts this into flatness at every point.
Step 3.2 contradicts step 1.2, so is not open; by step 1.4 the morphism is not open, while by steps 4.1 and 1.3 it is flat and of finite type.
The Axiom of Choice is used exactly twice: in step 2.2 through [F6] to convert the clopen set into an idempotent, and through [F7], which produces prime ideals. Steps 1.1 through 5.1 use no choice principle. [F6, F7, step 2.2]
Depends on
- Flat morphism of schemes
- Locally finite presentation morphisms
- The Axiom of Choice
- Flatness is equivalent to preserving injections and to the ideal and finitely generated ideal tests
- Affine-local flatness
- Finitely presented modules and finitely presented algebras
- Subalgebra generated by a subset, algebras of finite type, and module-finite algebras
- A clopen decomposition of the spectrum comes from a nontrivial idempotent
- Every Zariski-closed subset has a unique radical defining ideal
- The map of affine spectra induced by a ring homomorphism
- The underlying space of an affine spectrum
- Prime ideals and maximal ideals in a commutative ring
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Sources
- The Stacks Project, Morphisms of Schemes, Section 29.26 (flat morphisms) (standard reference, not scraped)
- The Stacks Project, Commutative Algebra, Tag 00R2 (Lemma 10.6.3: finite presentation and kernels of surjections) (standard reference, not scraped)
- The Stacks Project, Commutative Algebra, Section 10.21 (idempotents and connected components) (standard reference, not scraped)